Insofar as it is okay to be proud of other people’s accomplishments, why not? In spite of some big marks on their records (and, really, what place doesn’t have those?), Georgia and the South have had their bright spots, too.
Why not? All humans seek to be proud of their environs, friends, family, ethnic group and so on. It seems necessary to build self-confidence and mental well-being. There’s nothing wrong with that.
The downside is when in order to be proud one has to put other people down, although I greatly like the saying of another famous and proud Southerner (a Louisianan), Truman Capote: “It is not enough to succeed; friends must be seen to have failed.”
It depends on what you’re proud of. If you’re proud of the state because it was the birthplace of the Klan, no. If you’re proud of it because it was the birthplace of Martin Luther King Jr, OK.
Reflexive pride (‘my state, right or wrong!’) is a bad thing, I would think, but being selective and expressing it as an image of one’s values seems like a good idea.
There’s a famous quotation that compares “My country, right or wrong” to “My mother, drunk or sober,” but I can’t remember who said it or what it was, exactly.
I think it’s in one of the standard UNIX fortune files.
It was Chesterton - ‘“My country, right or wrong” is a thing no patriot would think of saying, except in a desperate case. It is like saying “My mother, drunk or sober.”’ From The Defendant (but actually from the Encarta Book of Quotations).
As a Yankee transplant in Atlanta, I’d say no, mainly because you live in Athens. Georgia is funny that way, there are some great spots, then there is the boondocks down state and the funny suburbs of Atlanta.
Look at it this way, we finally changed the flag. That’s got to count for something.
There’s no sense in feeling bad that you weren’t born in NYC, or went to Harvard, or have a Northern accent, or any such thing. There are stereotypes which might make you feel inferior for those things, but they’re stupid. I would say, feel pride for your accomplishments, not so much the circumstances of your birth.
I’ll feel pround when you fix the horrible graphic design flaw which separates, via a horizontal line, the correct post from the correct attribution. Ed Brayton, Matt Yglesias, Majikthise, and you, obviously didn’t take Design 101,
I’ll feel pround when you fix the horrible graphic design flaw which separates, via a horizontal line, the correct post from the correct attribution. Ed Brayton, Matt Yglesias, Majikthise, and you, obviously didn’t take Design 101,
That is a standard MT design feature. I feel that it works for how I display comments on DRN. Notice how I don’t use it on PT because it doesn’t work with how I display comments there.
You have every right to be proud of your accomplishments, your roots, and the ability to address issues that confront us Southerners and Americans. I feel you learned as a young child to not accept common statements that flowed like a river through our South, but that you studied, read, and experienced the TRUTH. Keep it coming.
Nancy
Insofar as it is okay to be proud of other people’s accomplishments, why not? In spite of some big marks on their records (and, really, what place doesn’t have those?), Georgia and the South have had their bright spots, too.
Why not? All humans seek to be proud of their environs, friends, family, ethnic group and so on. It seems necessary to build self-confidence and mental well-being. There’s nothing wrong with that.
The downside is when in order to be proud one has to put other people down, although I greatly like the saying of another famous and proud Southerner (a Louisianan), Truman Capote: “It is not enough to succeed; friends must be seen to have failed.”
Oops. Gore Vidal, not Capote. I don’t know where he came from…
It depends on what you’re proud of. If you’re proud of the state because it was the birthplace of the Klan, no. If you’re proud of it because it was the birthplace of Martin Luther King Jr, OK.
Reflexive pride (‘my state, right or wrong!’) is a bad thing, I would think, but being selective and expressing it as an image of one’s values seems like a good idea.
There’s a famous quotation that compares “My country, right or wrong” to “My mother, drunk or sober,” but I can’t remember who said it or what it was, exactly.
I think it’s in one of the standard UNIX fortune files.
It was Chesterton - ‘“My country, right or wrong” is a thing no patriot would think of saying, except in a desperate case. It is like saying “My mother, drunk or sober.”’ From The Defendant (but actually from the Encarta Book of Quotations).
As a Yankee transplant in Atlanta, I’d say no, mainly because you live in Athens. Georgia is funny that way, there are some great spots, then there is the boondocks down state and the funny suburbs of Atlanta.
Look at it this way, we finally changed the flag. That’s got to count for something.
There’s no sense in feeling bad that you weren’t born in NYC, or went to Harvard, or have a Northern accent, or any such thing. There are stereotypes which might make you feel inferior for those things, but they’re stupid. I would say, feel pride for your accomplishments, not so much the circumstances of your birth.
I’ll feel pround when you fix the horrible graphic design flaw which separates, via a horizontal line, the correct post from the correct attribution. Ed Brayton, Matt Yglesias, Majikthise, and you, obviously didn’t take Design 101,
That is a standard MT design feature. I feel that it works for how I display comments on DRN. Notice how I don’t use it on PT because it doesn’t work with how I display comments there.
Well, give it a shot on PT. Putting the attribution on the wrong side might work there too.
You have every right to be proud of your accomplishments, your roots, and the ability to address issues that confront us Southerners and Americans. I feel you learned as a young child to not accept common statements that flowed like a river through our South, but that you studied, read, and experienced the TRUTH. Keep it coming. Nancy
No regrets, no real pride - sides of a coin. It’s poignant where I’m proud to be too.
Sure. I’m proud to be a native Floridian and Southerner.
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